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Nihongo Dojo — N3 → N2

Grammar

N2

~たところで

~ta tokoro de

even if one were to

When to use it

Use ~たところで when you want to concede a hypothetical action but dismiss it as pointless — "even if X were done, it wouldn't help." It is stronger and more resigned than plain ~ても, and the second clause is almost always negative or expresses futility (変わらない・間に合わない・意味がない・とは限らない). Common in reports, negotiation, and written argument where you preempt a course of action as ineffective; frequently reinforced by いくら・どんなに・今から.

Formation

  • Verb: past (た/だ) form + ところで → 急いだところで、反対したところで
  • i-adjective: ~かった + ところで → 安かったところで (relatively rare)
  • na-adjective: ~だった + ところで → 有利だったところで
  • Noun: noun + だったところで → 大企業だったところで
  • The following clause must convey futility or denial; a positive, beneficial result is ungrammatical.

Examples

  • Even if we rush from here, we won't make the deadline.

  • Even if I objected, the policy wouldn't change.

  • Even if we cut the price, there's no guarantee we'd win the order.

  • No matter how much material we send, it's all the same if it goes unread.

  • Even a major firm would surely back out on these terms.